Response to a new Facebook letter claiming Republicans are justified and victims.

 

There is a new list of ‘we are victims’ woes being circulated as Republicans vs Democrats and it’s time to debunk it. Too easy. Mind you the “victim mentality” is a tactic of retaliation and nothing else. For everything in this list, I offer a counterpoint as the Republican tries to sound like they are all saints who do no wrong. I would further mention that any side doing this is why we are still divided. I will put my responses in parenthesis.

 

"I tolerated 44 (Obama) for 8 years and kept quiet.

(Uh that’s wrong. I distinctly remember lots of horrible attacks against their family not only for being black but because Michelle dared to let people see her ARMS. Look that up. And those kind of jabs went on all 8 years with “thanks Obama” to everyone Republicans didn’t like. Positively hate fueled.)

Here is my issue with the whole, “let us all be a United States again” that we heard from Joe Biden.

For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.

(It takes two to make a battlefield, people. Stop pretending you did no damage yourself. It isn’t true)

The problem is 72+ million of us have memories longer than a hamster.

(You forgot the word “selective” because this entire lists proves you only remember what supports your ideals, your own behavior gets a free pass.)

We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments

(We remember 4 years of increase in hate crimes made in Trumps name (spray painted even), alternative facts, morbid denial of facts, “fuck your feelings” tshirts, “you can grab me by the pussy” tshirts, violations of the first amendment passed of as attacks on fake news with no evidence, and incoherent babbling on twitter, I could go on and fill ten pages here)

We remember “not our president” and the “Resistance…”

(We remember you being equally horrible winners as you accused us of being losers, see my prior point)

We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.

(We remember, “beat that guy up, I’ll pay your court fees”)

We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out a restaurant.

(We remember that person publicly calling an entire professional occupation stupid idiots on national television as part of the demonizing of the media violating the first amendment)

We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.

(We remember similar scales of black and gay people physically attacked)

We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.

(Trump supporters have done the exact same thing in their “get all the liberals” campaigns)

We remember riots, and looting

(Those were not targeted at Trump. They were over racism. We remember legal protests sabotaged by Trump supporters who were arrested in the process and people armed with rifles taking up our capital buildings.)

We remember “a comedian” holding up the President’s severed head

(We remember not being happy with that any more than you. I sure wasn’t)

We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump

(We remember effigies of Obama burned in the streets)

We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.

(That was particularly childish and many of us agreed with that.)

We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media

(Uh, that was not Democrats. Democrats didn’t coin the term “fake news” that was all you and all Trump all the way)

We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.

(Live fact checking has always existed.)

We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.

(Cover ups of what? The only party with anything to cover up was the party in power. And that’s where the term “alternative facts” came from, remember?)

We remember the President and his staff being spied on.

(Obama was spied on too. Name a president that wasn’t)

We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.

(Every president has been targeted by satire. Every single one. You are not special in this regard.)

We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.

(Good luck proving that. That’s a wild number and no where near accurate or factual.)

We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.

(Such as? Once again, this needs factual support because you may have one or two but not nearly what you think. And if you think states haven’t been at issue with presidents before, you are mistaken. The Bush administrations was sued several times)

We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.

(You literally have no room to talk about verbal assault when there are fuck your feelings tshirts that came out instantly after the election of 2016)

We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.

(Because no one has ever done that before… wrong)

We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.

(Remember those tshirts I mentioned? THOSE are the things you are called names for. Also for supporting people who commit crimes in his name that aren’t hard to find at all. Meanwhile I’ve been called baby killer, libtard, snowflake, fucktard and the list goes on only because I don’t support Trump and I didn’t have to make a statement about it either. Just make the mistake of saying I don’t support his ideals. That’s all it took. So tell me again who is being truly nasty there)

We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.

(A select number of celebrities is not all of Hollywood. When you can’t make a realistic statement, it’s no wonder you don’t get a realistic reaction)

This list is endless, but you get the idea.

(Yes and it shows you are just as guilty as you accuse anyone else when real comparisons get made. So stop making it out like Republicans never do anything terrible and they are all perfectly innocent, but it’s a blatant lie.)

My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me!"

(And to that I say the same for the party that acted nasty for 8 years of Obama with burning effigies and slander only to act even worse as soon as you “won” and proceeded to be horrible “winners” for the last four years on top of it.)

And that’s the whole post asking people to copy and paste and spread it around. Feel free to show them this response to make their heads explode.

The Discussion of Civil War Today

 

With a third of all Americans believing we are headed for Civil war and constant threats being used in political positions, you have to stop and think about it. It is a potential reality. But what will it look like? Are you in danger in your town? I believe I have a point of view for you. 

Firs I would like to direct you to an article that shares thoughts I agree with and I find it very fair toward both political parties to boot. Read it HERE. 

Got it? Good.

If you google Proud Boys Civil War, you will find reports across multiple media sources quoting a "member" of the extremists to say that there will be civil war if Trump is not re-elected. I do believe there will be violence, but a civil war? Hard to say how that will pan out. What will it look like?

For one, it won't be a two sided fight. It will be multi-sided with several groups all of the mentality of "if you start shooting, I'll start shooting". This will develop pockets of significant violence in many major cities and some medium ones, but it won't be anything remotely organized over a large area. One thing is for certain, it will be absolute chaos.  A lot of innocent lives will be lost because none of these groups will have a solid grasp of who their enemy is. Lines will blur and any place there is a protest or any form of political gathering will be a prime target. This thought doesn't even include the presence of any law enforcement or military.

Law enforcement will be bent over a barrel in the hot zones and Governor's will likely have to activate their state's National Guard. But who of any of those organizations will also be compromised? Martial law is a good possibility in various areas as well. If you think you're little pocket militia is fit to face our fully trained military in combat, you have another thing coming. And remember that our military personnel all took and oath to protect from all threats foreign and domestic.

Any group that presents enough of a military scale threat can be erased with things like jets, tanks and drones. I doubt it will come to that for these groups, but you can be there will be military response. But what is "enough of a military scale threat"? To be honest, I don't know. That just tells me it's a bad gamble.

I think at the end of the day, for any of us, it will be most important to protect our own homes and families. I will share with you some things I'm watching for around me and online. On these, I could be wrong about anyone. I will not engage with any of these people, this is for mental note only. It is not a battle plan for people to go start shooting. So if you take anything I say here as a means to start building targets for your guns, you are part of the problem.

The biggest thing to watch for is any scale of excessive behavior or belief. There are two houses on my block with over abundance of signs and flags. One house has 2 flag and 5 signs while the other recently increased to 7 signs in a tiny front yard. Number two has signs that are inflammatory and a car with about 40 conspiracy bumper stickers all over the back end. One of the residents of house two, recently got a flag he takes to busy streets to wave at passers by.  I will be watching both houses around election time and up to for their reactions. I have overheard conversations from both that are equally inflammatory like "we'll see what happens if they come for my guns". I don't talk to them either. We had a street get together for all neighbors hosted by another neighbor of mine and those two didn't show for the ice cream and root beer floats like the rest.

Anyone who dismisses current losses of life as any form of insignificant for any excuse (IE the people Kyle R. shot, people dead from covid, or people who have died that were part of any social or political party) is someone to keep an eye on under the circumstances. This includes any belief that all of "name that party" should be killed. The more a person says they are ready to kill so and so, the more you should either keep and eye open or keep your distance. 

Now, since the excess of threats are coming from extreme right wing pro white conservative groups, you have to know who is currently endangered. This is two fold. First and foremost, anyone who isn't white is endangered. Second, anyone who is LGBTQ is endangered. This has been proven and prompted public warnings in Portland and surrounding areas. There is no reason to think that won't spread if not already. Proud Boys were filmed ransacking a city part beating gay pride demonstrators or black lives demonstrators with clubs and bats. Some were arrested. I have also seen quite a few posts on the lines of "kill all liberals".  So be sure to keep yourself safe. What can you do?

If you don't want anything to do with any fighting and you want to be safe, there are things you can do. You don't have to be paranoid, but a safety plan is a good idea.

Talk to your family about what you all need to do if fighting erupts on your street. This is especially important for your children. Discuss where they need to go if something dangerous is happening right outside or coming closer. Some ideas would be to go under beds or to a spot in the basement or bathroom. The idea is to get out of potential lines of fire because a bullet can go through at least one wall or window. STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS. The best place for your child is either flat on the floor, or below ground level with as many walls between them and any violence as possible. Call for help via 911. Turn off all interior lights. Adults should also stay low if there is shooting. 

Pay attention to local news alerts and avoid areas that are reported as having dangerous activity. This is especially true if your city has already suffered violence. You may have to go out of your way to safely get your household needs. Without going into high crime areas, know locations that are away from the high traffic danger zones. Be ready to go to those places and only if you are in absolute need. 

Now I'm not telling you not to defend your property, but apply this wisely. Do not go outside your home to brandish a weapon at a crowd of people who are also armed. This is a good way to get shot. Stay inside where you have applicable cover in the case of a firefight (that I would hope no one has to worry about). In reality, neighborhoods that are in the midst of or connected to high traffic city areas where violence breaks out are in the most danger. The further out you are to the edge of your city (as theory goes) the safer your neighborhood should be unless it's a high crime area already. A politician's home may create a target neighborhood as we already know.

Remember, this will not be a large mass organized national civil war like the first one. It will be large clusters of violence by varied groups. If you don't want to be part of that fighting, stay away. If you can't stay away, learn how to protect your home and take precautions.

So now.. what will you do if we have a "civil war"? What do you think it will take to be declared a "civil war"?  Good luck to you.

I destroy this Facebook copy pasta (Trigger and Language Warning)

This is garbage. This is irrational, exaggerated, hate promoting, and illegitimate garbage. I wasn’t going to write against it, but I just can’t help myself because I’m so sick of misinformation like this shaping minds and hurting people. A friend of mine called this gish galloping and he is absolutely right. I posted on Facebook that I could debunk every single point and how it is either totally false or just doesn’t work. And I’m going to and you know what? I’m going to be awful fucking blunt about it. You have been warned. I will put my responses in parenthesis so you can tell what I have to say to each section. Now let’s get started with the first paragraph:

I'm not starting a fight, but it is something to think about. This may open up a ton of outraged comments by some. Many who will argue how "wrong" this post is. My suggestion, save your time and effort! You're not changing the reality of what we are living by trying to somehow justify this insanity. Nevertheless, I couldn't resist because we are becoming the Twilight Zone. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind!

(Where to start with this. So many issues. I guess my biggest take is on the suggestion that if you don’t agree wit this you are automatically trying to justify on the terms of the writer.  A kind of “Aha! You can’t rebut this now!” which is bullshit. The one point I do agree with is saving time and effort because anyone who really thinks this way is beyond reproach and doesn’t want to be told they are wrong at any level. Hell, they can’t accept that they are wrong at any level. So why am I writing at all? General audience and someone has to stand up to this line of thinking and try to correct it. And hell, some people will even get a laugh at both writer’s expense and that’s just fine too.)

• If a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.

(Says who? Not one trans person that I know or gay person or any LGBTQ+ has ever asked me to pretend one fucking thing about them. To make it clear, you don’t have to do one damned thing. You can walk away from anyone you want and leave them the fuck alone. If you can’t accept someone for who and what they are (especially when they do no harm to anyone else) then you will do yourself and them a huge favor by walking right the fuck on by. I can claim I identify as a wombat and I personally do not give two shits if you pretend I’m a wombat or not! “Oh but what about the people and their picket signs and demonstrations?” you ask. My answer… so fucking what? Did something in your life stop working because someone held up a fucking sign? No? Then get over it. Their issues are officially none of your fucking business. Go somewhere else or change the damn channel.)

• Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.

(Not only is this an exaggeration, but it’s patently false because the census is meant to count everyone living in American whether they are an “American citizen” or not. And that is where the debate comes in. Oh no, a debate! That’s un-American! Right? What the real problem is here is that whoever wrote this cannot stand the idea that every single immigrant in the country doesn’t get a massive flood light shined up their ass by way of the census. Oh, does that sound like another exaggeration? How does it feel? Let me put this another way… if all you want is our government’s nose up every immigrants ass to see what they had for lunch (IE are they legal or not), you are going about it the wrong way. YOU do not have an inherent right to demand who is legal and who isn’t. Collective society? Sure. The law? Sure. Just you and handful of racist assholes? No. )

• Russians influencing our elections are bad, but illegals voting in our elections are good.

(False. Literally no one thinks this. Fucking NO ONE. This is 100% contrived bullshit and just immigrant hatred spewed by people who have no fucking idea who is voting and who is not. And don’t even throw Fox news at me or any underground media because you’ll call any I post “fake news” like you’re any kind of judge. You have no evidence to support this blistering ridiculous claim.)

• It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquires about it.

( You have problems with Biden’s past? Well guess what, if you defended “grab em by the pussy” you have no fucking room to talk. You have no ground what so ever to stand on. You have burned yourself right out of the discussion. For every bullshit thing Trump has done that you cheer for (while condemning Obama for doing even less) you haven’t got a gawdamn thing to say. NOTHING. Not one fucking thing.)

• Twenty is too young to drink a beer, but eighteen is old enough to vote.

(Two things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other; age to drink and age to vote. I find it funny how some people think an 18 year old criminal should be tried as an adult and 18 years olds should pay their way as an adult, but have not one single legal fucking right as an adult. Well, what do you want here? Younger drunk drivers or older voters? Admit it, what you really want is to control who other people vote for.)

• People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.

(Another thing no one is asking for. But it’s hard to explain to people who just don’t fucking care. And since your face is probably contorting in rage over the mere suggestion that you’re wrong, you actually prove me right. This is what you choose to believe and refuse to listen to the people talking and then you wonder why their behavior gets worse. The riot is the behavior of the unheard according to the words of Martin Luther King Jr. And you know what some families should get reparations for? If anyone in their family was hung from a fucking tree until dead by a white mob that was allowed to bypass all laws and courts. Stop pretending that slavery was the only problem and learn something or go the fuck away)

• Inflammatory rhetoric is outrageous, but harassing people in restaurants is virtuous.

(Once again… according to who? What youtube videos are you watching? You want to talk about harassing people in restaurants? How about screaming at employees over mask policies? How about that? How about shouting at someone trying to eat in peace to go back where they came from? Do you really believe this is a one sided issue? Well you seem to think the rest are and only you are somehow affected.)

• People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.

(Yet another thing no one is asking for. But then it will be hard to get any headway on the issue since you’re okay with cutting student meals, closing down the federal branch of the Department of Education who would be the ones to enforce anything you wanted done. On the flip side, no one who is going to be working manual labor with their degree should have to be in debt for the rest of their fucking lives over it. Not only that, but what about colleges that do more predatory recruiting for their own bottom line than following on their own promises? What people want here is reform and they are willing to pay a bump in taxes for it, not just pay off everyone’s way. If you don’t agree, what have you done to suggest a better way? Anything? No? Then shut up.)

• Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.

(Here we have another comparison that doesn’t work and is literally something no one as said at all. No one has said, “hey, you got tuberculosis, well shit boy, get on in here!” Nope. But I forget, your idea of vetting immigrants is stripping them of their children and doing cavity searches and blood tests, never mind what you would do if any country wanted to do that to YOU. Uh oh, did I just post another exaggeration that you don’t like? Well no shit. And comparing to your dogs vaccines is fucking stupid. Have you ever seen anyone die from rabies? No? I wonder why? Maybe it’s because we developed a fucking vaccine decades ago to stop people dying from rabies. But fuck, you think covid is a fairy tale, so you probably don’t think rabies ever existed either.)

• Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcome.

(This has become a trend in this list of things no one wants or asked for or claimed. Not one fucking person has ever said, “boy, I hope we get more illiterate gang bangers in our country this year”. How about this reversal: We need to worry about Mexican gangsters coming into our country, but the thousands of white and black gangs committing the same fucking crimes are A gawdamn OK with us! That’s how you fucking sound.)

• $5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not.

(See, here goes the trend again. Because you think building a fucking wall will stop illegal immigration in its tracks. It won’t. The majority of illegal immigration to the tune of around 95% come in via vehicles, not fence climbing. They come in with visas and stay after the visa expires. So yes, your useless eyesore of a fucking wall that can’t even be built legally or physically across the entire border is a complete waste of money. At least healthcare assistance at any level could save lives. And let’s get realistic, thanks to insurance companies being rooted in our political system with every other corporation, “free” will never happen. So just stop.)

• If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.

(Bullshit once again. Most people who cheat to get into college just get thrown out (most) and more immigrant hatred because immigrants are destroying our way of life. Bullshit. Name one thing you can’t do anymore because of an immigrant and then tell me how they physically stopped you from doing it. You just hate the sight of them and the best part is that you don’t even know who is legal and who isn’t. So long as you can’t support that, you have nothing to say.)

• People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.

(Who gives a shit? Does this affect your power to vote? Will you go hide under your bed because someone wants something you don’t? Stop letting irrelevant bullshit control your life. There are people out there who want to fuck bats in the asshole. Are you all bent out of shape over them? Better question is why do YOU have a problem with a female President no matter who wants to vote for her?)

• We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us.

(Another exaggeration over something that simply can’t happen. That is, if you are a consistent voter. But then there is another question that I’ve posed before. If you have all the answers, what have you done to show them and suggest a better way? Nothing. You just want to rage over it and you think “voting for President” is enough action for you. Wrong.)

• Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.

(No shit. They’re called POLITICIANS and CORPORATIONS. But you’re talking about racism again and I already explained that point. Meanwhile, we the people pay for the politics.)

• Criminals are catch-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights.

(By what actual facts? Who? Where? How many? No one thinks failing to stop criminals is bad. Another fucking stupid assumption. I don’t even know where this is being aimed but it fails horribly. Too many ways to kill this because it’s a stupid comment.)

• And pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists"?!

(Not quite. And most of this is not hypocrisy because the compared points have nothing to do with each other in any way. They are just smashed together in incoherent rambling like each one is some kind of major revelation. It makes you ignorant because you fail at critical thinking enough to make those ridiculous comparisons as if they do anything for you. They don’t. I could get into the real hypocrisy here but I’ve already made a couple of points to that effect. Pop quiz, can you find them?)

Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus in the media, but 99.8% will survive if infected.

(They aren’t dying in the media, you assholes, they are dying in hospitals. And dying isn’t even the only issue to be concerned with. Why are you listening to media that you don’t want anyone else to listen to? We get it, you don’t think Covid is an issue and you don’t see dead bodies lining your personal street, so you can’t be bothered. But try going to your local hospital and telling them about it. Oh wait, you can’t be bothered. That would mean fact checking yourself.)

We are living in an upside down world for sure.

(Here’s some fucking irony, it’s because of you)

Not my words but very accurate and disturbing!

(If you posted this because you blindly believe it all, then they are absolutely your words. You may as well fucking own them.)

Feel free to copy and paste. I did!

(Yeah, fuck this shit for the shit it is.)

Did you make it this far? Good for you! Now remember this, if you shared this copy pasta because you agreed with it, it was your opinion. If you believe you're entitled to your opinion but you don't think I'm entitled to mine, then the problem doth not lie with me.